Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager
Average customer rating: 3 out of 5 stars
  • Died and will not reset
  • great little machine
  • not worth the money
  • Junk!!!!
  • not worth it!
Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager

Manufacturer: PalmOne
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Product Features:
  • Built-in WiFi and Bluetooth wireless support so you can easily carry all the essentials of your busy life
  • 320 x 480 high-resolution, color display with choice of portrait and landscape viewing
  • Support for POP, IMAP, and Exchange e-mail accounts helps you stay on top of your e-mail at WiFi hotspots around the world
  • Plenty of room for storage with a 4GB hard drive
  • Also includes a voice recorder, MP3 player, and photo viewer

ASIN: B0009JMT38
Release Date: 2005-05-02
Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager

Product Description

PalmOne introduces the all-new LifeDrive mobile manager. With a 3.85 gig user accessible hard drive and built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth support, you can easily carry all the essentials of your busy life and use them as you will. Files and folders from your desktop computer, 300 songs, 2.5 hours of video, vacation photos, and more are right there with you. Quickly drag and drop files from your PC onto your LifeDrive mobile manager. Folder structure remains intact so you can easily locate important information when you need it. Select the files you want to keep in sync, and automatically update them whenever you sync with your computer. Use your device like you would any USB removable drive to easily upload files to any PC or Macintosh. Built-in Wi-Fi 802.11b and Bluetooth v1.1 Access your POP, IMAP and Exchange email accounts via Bluetooth Use Bluetooth to connect to compatible devices nearby-sync with your Bluetooth laptop, wirelessly send a document to a Bluetooth printer or dial a Bluetooth phone. Retrieve documents from your desktop computer with the WiFile software. Use the included web browser, optimized for the mobile surfing experience. Service provider and an ISP, sold separately. Some Wi-Fi hotspots require fee for usage. Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 or VPN may be required. Within wireless service coverage area and requires a connection to the same network that the networked computers are on Support for Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Acrobat More room for MP3 files, photos and video clips Built-in voice recorder Camera companion and camera companion software Expansion possibilities with built-in expansion card slot which supports SD, SDIO and Multimedia Card formats. Optional GPS Road Navigator transforms your LifeDrive device into an in-car navigation tool. Portable wireless keyboard unfolds to full size for work on the go, which is bought separately. Included Addit

Customer Reviews:

1 out of 5 stars Died and will not reset.......2007-12-18

After a year, the Lifedrive froze while starting up. I tried resetting, including several hard resets, which the unit would never complete. A call to Palm Tech Support did no good - they want me to send it back for repair (at my own expense, since it's past the warranty period).

5 out of 5 stars great little machine.......2007-12-12

I have heard a lot about these things freezing up and dying, but thats only because something was installed wrong on it. i have had mine for 3 years now, and it only died once, because i downloaded free solitaire games off the internet. i reset it, and it works fine. so convenient to be able to edit all of my microsoft office applications on the go. i went to hawaii and took this with me, and was able to use the moblie manager feature to upload my digital cameras sd card onto it, so i could continue to take pictures. the mp3 player has always worked perfectly for me. the interent applications are fantastic.

1 out of 5 stars not worth the money.......2007-12-12

it holds a lot of information/books etc, and therefore makes a great reference if you are a professional, travel, etc. Also, it is quite good at finding access to the internet. Unfortunately, I didn't heed the warnings of others. It's hard drive has broken after 6 months of use. Now its a great paper weight!

1 out of 5 stars Junk!!!!.......2007-09-22

Well...I am on my 4th and soon to be on my 5th...thank God for an extended warranty from Staples...since I have had mine, It has either been sent off or broke down. I was a loyal Palm user but the life drive is a pure piece of tech. junk...steer clear!!!

1 out of 5 stars not worth it!.......2007-09-16

I purchased this product and quickly learned the reason as to why it's been discontinued. It is HORRIBLY slow. It freezes up when trying to simply search for wireless networks, or when switching between screens. Then I installed some medical programs on it and it was even slower. Finally I uploaded one photograph to it......ONE!! And the thing got stuck in a reset loop. It just kept resetting itself, and no matter what buttons i pushed or for how long it just kept turning on and off and on and off. When I taped it back up in the box to return, it was still resetting itself. I think the battery died not long after I shipped it back.
PalmOne 3218WW Aluminum Hard Case for LifeDrive Mobile Manager
Average customer rating: 3.5 out of 5 stars
  • Great product, great price
  • Case of too small for my PDA
  • My view of the aluminun hard case for the LiveDrive
  • Product is excellent and the seller was very good.
  • Palm aluminium case
PalmOne 3218WW Aluminum Hard Case for LifeDrive Mobile Manager

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Product Features:
  • Palm Computing 3218WW Lifedrive Aluminum Case

ASIN: B00083MW2S
PalmOne 3218WW Aluminum Hard Case for LifeDrive Mobile Manager

Product Description

Store and protect your LifeDrive Mobile Manager

Customer Reviews:

5 out of 5 stars Great product, great price.......2007-09-16

I'd wanted this for a long time, but it was too expensive new. When I found it here for much less, I was worried about the condition it would be in, but it was perfect. Thanks!

1 out of 5 stars Case of too small for my PDA.......2007-05-07

I purchased this item for my PALM PDA. What a waste of money. My Palm Tungsten would not fit. Probably my fault for throwing away the packaging before actually trying it out. I bought a new tungsten and the case, but the case arrived first. I opened the package and tossed the container. After all, both items I bought were from Palm. That was my first mistake. Now I'm stuck with a case I cannot use.

Thanks Palm!!!

4 out of 5 stars My view of the aluminun hard case for the LiveDrive.......2007-02-16

I bought this item for my wife. She had the following to say: My LiveDrive came with a leather case that was the pits, because it fit too tight, and would make the LiveDrive turn on, just sliding it into the case. I opted for the aluminum case. I had a hard time opening it until I discovered that I needed to apply sideways pressure against the door, before lifting up on it. As long as I remember to do that, it solved the problem. It is very sturdy and I love it! I don't worry about the LiveDrive being damaged in my purse. I'm not as afraid that I will drop it. The door on the front is a little flimsy, but holds up. If they could improve the door, it would get a 5 star rating from me!

5 out of 5 stars Product is excellent and the seller was very good........2007-01-25

case is perfert for palmone PDA. Certeinly worth the price, and looks excellent.

4 out of 5 stars Palm aluminium case.......2007-01-12

I am realy surprise because i receive my item in record time! and in realy good condition of packing
PalmOne 3220WW Stylus Pen 3 Pack for LifeDrive Mobile Manager
Average customer rating: 3.5 out of 5 stars
  • Clever
  • Falls out--gets lost
  • Stilus/pen for Lifedrive
  • Almost as good as the original
  • Great replacement styli
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Product Features:
  • Satisfaction Ensured.
  • Manufactured to the Highest Quality Available.
  • With True Enhanced Performance.
  • Latest Technical Development.

ASIN: B00083N8DK
PalmOne 3220WW Stylus Pen 3 Pack for LifeDrive Mobile Manager

Product Description

Package of 3 / For use with LifeDrive Mobile Manager

Customer Reviews:

4 out of 5 stars Clever.......2007-10-10

What a clever product, I did not even realize my old styles did not have a pen built in so I replaced it with one of these. I always carry a pen on me but you never know when your going to need one. My only complain is that sometimes but rarely the cap unscrews so you have to tighten it up a little but not a big deal.

1 out of 5 stars Falls out--gets lost.......2007-01-30

I was happy with my original stylus. But, the replacement does not fit snugly inside the silo. Turning the PDA upside down causes the stylus to fall out. I've dropped the stylus six times in only two days. It's only a matter of time until I lose it. I am a very unhappy customer and will seek some other replacement pen.

P.S. My PDA was replaced by Palm and may be defective. I cannot be certain that the problem I cite above is due to the stylus rather than the PDA itself.

5 out of 5 stars Stilus/pen for Lifedrive.......2007-01-04

So you buy a lifedrive so you can have A LOT of memory to store eeeeverything; Then when you are used to carry it eeeeverywhere, you happen to loose the stilus and recurr to pathetic substitutes like I did, (in my case a pair of wooden matches- they are small enough to fit in the case, do not scratch the surface, are pointy enough, etc).
Don't.
Trust me. Just buy these when you buy your device.

4 out of 5 stars Almost as good as the original.......2006-06-23

I'll admit, I lost my original stylus while moving my home, so I had to buy a replacement.

Pro: This new stylus works just as well, with the added bonus of having a built in ink-pen - that's fantastic.

Con: The only negative (and it's only a slight negative), is that the telescoping top doesn't work quite as well as the original. Don't get me wrong, it does telescope and feels great when in the 'long position'. But while in the 'holder', sometimes it doesn't pop-out on the first push. It's more of a slight annoyance than a problem.

5 out of 5 stars Great replacement styli.......2006-04-12

I lost my original stylus (left it at a restaurant). This replacement pack of styli are just like my original. I have none of the problems the other reviewer had. My stylus fits perfectly, and the telescoping top is just like my original. This is a great replacement!
Palm Lifedrive Mobile Manager (Refurbished)
Average customer rating: 3 out of 5 stars
  • Great Product! Best Palm Product
  • Life drive
  • Correct product never received
Palm Lifedrive Mobile Manager (Refurbished)

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ProductGroup: CE
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ASIN: B000MX6L26
Palm Lifedrive Mobile Manager (Refurbished)

Customer Reviews:

4 out of 5 stars Great Product! Best Palm Product.......2007-12-21

Excelent Product! Perfect Agenda, Contact info and Tasks.
The best data entry, as it have the Graffity.
With a memory of 4GB, you can do anything you like.
The camera companion is great, as you can download the pics to the lifedrive and keep taking pics(with a SD Mem card)
The Ptunes is pretty nice and the voice notes as well.
Simple games are played well.
Great Product!
I don't give it a 5 because is a little bit heavy, but not heavier than a camera.

4 out of 5 stars Life drive.......2007-08-09

Reading the manual is a must. Otherwise, you will come to the erroneous conclusion that the lifedrive is defective. The most challenging feature of the lifedrive is Synchronizing which can be quite challenging. With practice, time and the help of a few free downloads it will eventually become a breeze for even the most technophobic user.

1 out of 5 stars Correct product never received.......2007-05-14

Apparently, Amazon has a bug in their inventory system. I ordered this with Amazon Prime overnight shipping ... a box arrived the next day with a set of refurbished 5.8 GHz cordless phones. Fine phones, I imagine, but not what I ordered. A rep from Amazon walked me through the return process, a replacement order was submitted, and the UPS guy picked up the return box. The next day, a box was dropped off and AGAIN I received a set of refurbished 5.8 GHz cordless phones!

Now, I have to say, Amazon has been responsive in regards to processing the returns but to have the exact same wrong product delivered is very frustrating. UPS will be picking up a return again but, according to Amazon policy, a refund has been processed instead of a replacement.
PalmOne 3219WW Leather Case for LifeDrive Mobile Manager
Average customer rating: 3.5 out of 5 stars
  • awesome
  • leather case for life drive
  • Fits like a glove
  • Needs improvement
  • This is nice
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Product Features:
  • Beautifully crafted case in soft, vintage leather material
  • Securely holds your LifeDrive mobile manager
  • Pockets for business or credit cards
  • Two slots for expansion cards
  • Contrasted by a luxurious suede lining on the inside

ASIN: B00083N40W
PalmOne 3219WW Leather Case for LifeDrive Mobile Manager

Product Description

Store and protect your PalmOne LifeDrive Mobile Manager in this deluxe Leather Case / BLACK

Customer Reviews:

5 out of 5 stars awesome.......2007-10-10

I have my business cards in this case so when I hand them out they see that I mean business with my lifedrive. It looks so professional im also impressed with the quality and price.

3 out of 5 stars leather case for life drive.......2007-05-20

I didn`t like the outer look of the case.I thought it looked old.I like the magnetic clasp it has.It is serving its purpose and its quite easy to open so overall it wasn`t a bad buy.

1 out of 5 stars Fits like a glove.......2007-03-16

The leather case works great. Easy access to buttons, space for business cards and SD cards. Ah!... the smell...leather. Five stars!

4 out of 5 stars Needs improvement.......2007-03-08

The inside or the leather case is finished in black velvet! this is not the optimus material for the use and the look of the item. I recomend just leather.

4 out of 5 stars This is nice .......2006-09-05

Well this is a quick one, this leather case is like all others but I is durable, fits the palm live drive perfectly. One thing to note that might have made me change my selection it's the card holder slot on the cover. It only seems to hold one maybe two cards securely but it dose work and securely holds the chips i.e. memory chips. Oh and one other not be sure to switch your palm into lock mode so you don't keep pressing buttons due to this case being soft on the cover and hard on the back.
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Average customer rating: Not rated
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    • Voltage: 3.7V

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    for PDA MODELS: - Palm LifeDrive
    Retractable Travel Kit for Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager
    Average customer rating: Not rated
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      Product Features:
      • Synchronization and battery charging at the same time through USB port.
      • No need to bring AC Adapter and cradle during travel.
      • 1 Sync-Charger for 2 functions, save space for your home and office.
      • Compatible with PalmTM TungstenTM E2 & T5 Handhelds, the LifeDriveTM Mobile Manager & the TreoTM 650

      ASIN: B000E241J0
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      Product Description

      Sync & charge your PDA on the road, or in the office without the bulk of multiple cables.
      Battery for Palm LifeDrive / Life Drive - Super Extended Life
      Average customer rating: Not rated
        Battery for Palm LifeDrive / Life Drive - Super Extended Life

        Manufacturer: Osprey-Talon
        ProductGroup: CE

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        • 1900mAh Ultra High Capacity means more long runtime
        • 100% compatible with Original Battery and Charger devices
        • No Memory Effect, The battery can be recharged with out loss of capacity
        • CE and SGS-ISO-9001-2000 Approved
        • Voltage: 3.7V

        ASIN: B000VOF546
        Battery for Palm LifeDrive / Life Drive - Super Extended Life

        Product Description

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        USB HOT SYNC & CHARGE Cable for Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager Series PDA + 1900mAh Internal Rechargeable Li-Ion PDA Battery for Palm LifeDrive
        Average customer rating: Not rated
          USB HOT SYNC & CHARGE Cable for Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager Series PDA + 1900mAh Internal Rechargeable Li-Ion PDA Battery for Palm LifeDrive

          Manufacturer: Osprey-Talon
          ProductGroup: CE

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          Product Features:
          • Sync and charge your PDA with Laptop and PC
          • High speed USB 2.0
          • Capacity: 1900 mAh EXTRA high Capacity; Chemistry: Li-Polymer;
          • Voltage: 3.7V;
          • No Memory Effect, The battery can be recharged without loss of capacity;

          ASIN: B0010HM76W
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          Palm PDA MODELS: LifeDrive
          Brand New PDA Screen Protector for Palmone Lifedrive Smartphone Mobile Manager
          Average customer rating: 1 out of 5 stars
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          Brand New PDA Screen Protector for Palmone Lifedrive Smartphone Mobile Manager

          Manufacturer: TangShop
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          Product Features:
          • PDA Screen Protector for Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager
          • The only way to remove scratches on your Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager PDA's screen is by replacing the touchscreen layer itself
          • Protecting your Palm Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager screen's surface!
          • Scratch-Resistant Wearable and Durable Anti-Glare Enhancement Easy to Apply Washable and Reusable Handwriting Recognition Improvement Affordable

          ASIN: B000BQKVAW
          Brand New PDA Screen Protector for Palmone Lifedrive Smartphone Mobile Manager

          Customer Reviews:

          1 out of 5 stars Watch shipping cost.......2007-07-29

          I bought several sceens, for 2.97$, and OH the shipping cost are 12.96, so a bargain is actually a looser, by far! Other co charge 5-6 $ per shipment !!

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